Mag. Dangerous game cartridges are designed to do one thing: stop a charge from an animal intent on killing a hunter. Just be glad you haven't been bitten by the 458 Win Mag bug. Mag. Alaska outdoors forums | The .458’s had been prohibited to prevent them failing into the hands of native liberation movements who often used older .458 caliber Martini rifles. It's a CZ550 controlled round feed. In 1956, Winchester saw an opportunity. Dangerous Game factory loads are only 50 FPS slower than the Lott. will send 500 grain bullets at about 2000 fps. Although considered a medium bore, the .375 performs much more like a true big bore. .375 H&H vs. .458 Lott #1 I've owned a .375 H&H No. Let’s see what makes them special. etc. /* 468x60, Forums, FORUMDISPLAY */ The .404 enjoyed favor with colonial game wardens in Africa who culled elephant herds which were deforesting the landscape and damaging crops. Mag. The .458 WM is a shortened and necked up version of the .375 H&H. Alaska However, it still has much less recoil than heavy weights such as the .470 Nitro Express. Never had a 338. They fire wide, long, heavy bullets at moderate velocity. It fired a 510 grain bullet at a claimed 2150 feet per second and over 5000 foot pounds energy. The .458 Win Mag's case is adapted from that of the .375 H&H Magnum, with the case shortened to 2½ inches (63.5 millimetres) and re-necked, not only to reduce taper, but also to accept a .458 inch diameter (11.63 millimetres) bullet. Let’s examine each in depth and then you can pick your winner. Refine by Caliber: 458 Win Magnum 458 Lott. , [ Return to Contents Not only can .375 H&H ammo be used; almost any .375 H&H rifle can easily be converted to .375 Weatherby Magnum by opening up the chamber, a simple reaming job—and .375 H&H ammo can still be used. I finally bought my third and maybe last 375 H&H. I would go with the .416 Rigby, A proven cartridge with low chamber pressure.Today it is possible to get loadings with 300 and 350 grain bullets. Here some performance figures for factory .375 H&H ammunition: .375 H&H (L) Compared to .338 Win Mag (R). The .470 NE’s recoil is similar to the .458 Win Mag, but it has a better reputation as a stopper than the .458. Alaska Trip Refine by Caliber: 458 Lott 470 Nitro Express. I was planning such a trip until I was laid low by a stroke. ], Posting to this forum is now disabled. .458 Winchester Magnum ammunition failure is no longer an issue. Here are factory ballistics for the Jeff: (L-R): .30-06, .375 H&H, .404 Jeffery, .505 Gibbs. The .375 is also the smallest legal caliber for hunting dangerous game in many African countries which gives it the edge over smaller calibers. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. S/N 169492 with matching scribed bolt made in 1950. It is based on a straight, shortened .375 H&H belted magnum case necked-up to accept .458" bullets. CZ 550 American Safari Magnum, .375 H&H; CZ 550 American Safari Magnum, .416 Rigby; CZ 550 American Safari Magnum Aramid Composite, .458 Win. Here are some performance numbers for the .416 Rigby. ; 7mm Rem. Alaska boating | Directory | Woodleigh’s 350 grain solid has a good reputation for this application. GrandSlam handload and it walked three steps and fell over dead. Magazine It will drop any animal on the planet, with proper bullet placement. Please visit our new forums, Alaska outdoors The thought that a .338 Win Mag has more recoil than a .375 H&H perplexes me. google_ad_width = 468; The .338 WM is a necked down version of the .458 WM. 1 and loved it! It fired a 510 grain bullet at a claimed 2150 feet per second and over 5000 foot pounds energy. Unlike its contemporary, the .375 H&H, the .416 is a true big-bore. | Post a Reply The Jeffery gun company introduced the .404 in 1905. with The Milepost, Click Brass was shortened to make the .264 Win Mag, 7mm Rem Mag, .300 Win Mag, .350 Norma Mag and .458 Win Mag. Mag. There seems to me to be a very close match between the 375 ballistics and a certain group of animals. Also developed using a necked up .375 H&H case, the .458 Lott is very similar to the .458 Win Mag, but the primary difference is the .458 Lott use a .3″ longer case (2.8″ vs 2.5″). I find open sights make for for faster shooting than scope sights up to 100 yards. It is also used by some Alaskan guides when hunting the enormous Kodiak brown bears. While the .375 is a bit more versatile, the .416 Rigby’s trajectory is similar, and it can reach out to 300 yards with ease—unusual for a big-bore. The .458 Winchester Magnum was designed from the outset to duplicate the performance level of the .450 Nitro Express and the .470 Nitro Express, which had become the mainstay of African dangerous game hunters. //--> Refine by Caliber: 416 Rem Magnum 458 Win Magnum. 338 WM VS 375 h&h I had 4 pass-through shots this past spring on a 9' Kodiak boar with my .375 h&h, shooting Barnes tsx bullets. Refine by Caliber: 416 Rigby 416 Rem Magnum. Mag. The .416 Rigby has always used a 400 or 410 grain bullet, although Woodleigh has introduced a 450 grain in both soft nose and solid. It competed directly against the .416 Rigby and .375 H&H, and is considered superior to both in many respects. ~ home | Lott’s condemnation lead to decreased sales for the .458 Win Mag until Winchester switched to a more temperature stable powder in the 1970’s. Dangerous game cartridges fire bullets with SD’s above .300. The .470 is a well-balanced cartridge. The “Jeff” fits in standard length actions, has sufficient power for elephant, and recoils a bit less than the .416’s. The original goal was to equal the .375 H&H in a .30-­’06-­length case. It received much publicity as famed African hunter Harry Selby’s preferred round. Us, © 1996 Outdoors America Communications Driving a 510-grain bullet at the same muzzle velocity of 2150 fps, the .458 Winchester Magnum was a success—at least in theory. Travel Books, Plan Your Since then, the .458 has become the work-a-day dangerous game cartridge in Africa. Ruger Vs. H&H. The design criteria for the .458 Winchester Magnu… | Post a new message Its long case is its only drawback, since it only fits in magnum length Mauser-style actions, which means it is only available in expensive limited production or custom rifles. Photo: Peter Gnanapragasam. Several other .375 cartridges have appeared in the last decade, but the H&H is still the best when feed reliability and world-wide ammunition availability are considered. IMHO, there ain't a dime's worth of difference between CRF and PF as long as you learn how to work your chosen rifle. CD ROM topographic map coverage for ALL of Alaska, Alaska At this point my BIG gun is a #1 in .405 Winchester. Fishing Books I would take that and a .300 Winchester Magnum on an African Safari. It just doesn't have the charisma of a 375 H&H. order your copy,